Sarah Crabtree: The Vehicle for Learning

00:00:00 Carlos Ramos: Welcome to Tomorrow Makers, where we explore how we learn live, work, and play now and in the future. I'm Carlos Ramos, 00:00:10 Sumer Beatty: and I'm Sumer Beatty. 00:00:11 Carlos Ramos: Sumer, we had such an awesome conversation here. I can't wait for everyone to hear it. 00:00:16 Sumer Beatty: You're talking as fast as it felt like it went. 00:00:19 Carlos Ramos: It did go fast, 00:00:20 Sumer Beatty: Yes. There was like no breaks, no awkward pauses. It was just boom. She, yeah. 00:00:25 Carlos Ramos: It was the densest. I mean, think, just minute for minute. Second for second. This one had the most information out of all the ones that we've done so far. 00:00:33 Sumer Beatty: Yeah. Sarah is truly special and I think aren't we so lucky to have her here. 00:00:38 Carlos Ramos: We are. Sarah Crabtree. So she's pursuing a certificate that, and get, we've been talking a lot about the associates and and bachelor's degree, and when I say certificate, this isn't just any certificate, so it's a certificate in automotive restoration or collision on, what is it? 00:00:54 Sumer Beatty: It's auto restoration, but I don't think it's your typical auto restoration certificate, because she came here and talked to faculty, talked to the department, head with a plan. She wants to restore this 1971 Land Rover to factory condition. And she's trying to do it in eight months. Is that right? 00:01:15 Carlos Ramos: Yeah. 00:01:16 Sumer Beatty: Less than a year. The College was like, yeah, absolutely, we'll support you. But I'm sure other people are like, I don't know if this is a good idea. I don't think this is possible. There's a lot of work involved, you know, and she'll tell us. Well, you know, hearing them say that just made me wanna do it more. Yeah. So she is determined. 00:01:32 Carlos Ramos: And talking to her, I believe she can do anything she's setting her mind to. 00:01:36 Sumer Beatty: Oh, absolutely. She's working like three jobs. She's in a heavy metal band. She is working at a record store. She's working at, a craft beer restaurant. Like she's doing, she's doing it all. But I think she's having fun. So she talks about her path. She was thinking about going into law. She has a degree in pre-law realized, hey, this isn't for me. And she came to Penn College and she just, she seems so happy. 00:02:02 Carlos Ramos: All right, well, let's not waste any more time. Let's just get right into it and hear from Sarah directly. 00:02:06 Sumer Beatty: All right. Let's do it. So we're here today with Sarah Crabtree. 00:02:16 Sarah Crabtree: Hello. 00:02:16 Sumer Beatty: Welcome. 00:02:17 Sarah Crabtree: Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. 00:02:19 Sumer Beatty: Yeah. Tom Speicer says you need an agent and he's angling for that. You're famous around here. 00:02:24 Sarah Crabtree: Yes. And I'm garnering more attention by the minute it seems, so, yeah. 00:02:28 Sumer Beatty: And it's going to get worse after this podcast comes out. 00:02:31 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:02:34 Sumer Beatty: So you have, just to set the stage, you've got an associate's degree in independent studies. 00:02:38 Sarah Crabtree: Mm-hmm. 00:02:39 Sumer Beatty: And you are pursuing your certificate in auto restoration, correct? Yeah. Okay. And then there's this. Big piece of it surrounding your interest in Land Rovers? 00:02:51 Sarah Crabtree: Yes. As a quote unquote senior thesis project, I am restoring a 1971 Land Rover Series IIA that was made for the North American market area. And that's a bit of a rarity angle to it though. Yeah, and it's proven to be quite a challenge. We lovingly nicknamed the car The Little Red Devil, 'cause it's putting us through hell and back. So, but yeah, that's our, so yeah, the Little Red Devil is the project that we're working on right now. 00:03:19 Carlos Ramos: What makes this project so challenging? 00:03:24 Sarah Crabtree: Well, to say, as a restoration student, you're restoring a car. That doesn't sound too insane, but the challenge of it is, is that we're restoring the entire vehicle in a school year, which is not a full year, it's eight months. Right.? On top of all the other extracurriculars and other classes that I'm enrolled with. I'm an adult student, so I'm working three jobs at the same time. So that's where the real craziness comes in, in that we are trying to restore this vehicle in eight months. You know, whilst I'm working, whilst I'm committed to other classes and other extracurriculars. And I have my own personal life, you know. I own a house in Elizabethtown that I gotta take care of too. So, that is the, that's the whole gist of it there. 00:04:03 Sumer Beatty: And these activities aren't just here in Williamsport. You still live in Elizabethtown, so you're... 00:04:06 Sarah Crabtree: Mm-hmm. 00:04:07 Sumer Beatty: You have some jobs both here and there? 00:04:10 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. Yeah. I work at a record shop on, on the weekends as well as a bar, and I sing. In a cover band to also kind of scrape some extra cash in. So... 00:04:19 Sumer Beatty: Let's promo the cover band. What is it Where? When are you playing next? 00:04:21 Sarah Crabtree: We are Manticore. 00:04:22 Sumer Beatty: Okay. 00:04:22 Sarah Crabtree: We are an early eighties metal cover band. We cover Metallica, Motorhead, UFO, and all sorts of goodies like that. So yeah. 00:04:29 Sumer Beatty: Nice. 00:04:29 Sarah Crabtree: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 00:04:31 Sumer Beatty: So do you play shows at the bar where you work? 00:04:33 Sarah Crabtree: No, not the bar that I work at yet. I was just gonna say, we're still in the woodwork of getting some stuff put together. We are gonna play a festival in Lancaster in mid-April called Launch, so that'll be cool. But no, not at the bar that I work at. The bar that I work at, it's called The Black Gryphon. Really, really cool premise in that I lot of it's farm to table style ingredients and things like that. We are connoisseurs of craft beer. Really, really cool casual environment there. 00:04:58 Carlos Ramos: That seems like it needs a different label than bar. 00:05:01 Sarah Crabtree: I would agree. It's a bar and restaurant. Yeah. But I am, I'm usually work bar when I'm, when I'm there on Saturday night, so yeah. 00:05:07 Sumer Beatty: Okay. So there's this convergence of all of these things. It seems, so you only have so much time in the day... 00:05:13 Sarah Crabtree: Mm-hmm. Correct. 00:05:14 Sumer Beatty: But you are spending time doing things you really love,. So it's restoring this vehicle. And there's also, I think I heard you're going to com possibly dream job combine the restoration of the, of the cars with the interest in craft beer. 00:05:28 Sarah Crabtree: Mm-hmm. 00:05:29 Sumer Beatty: And the rest, like, tell us about that. 00:05:31 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:05:31 Sumer Beatty: So we're jumping all over this. That's, this is like question number 12, but hey, that's okay. We're running with it. 00:05:36 Sarah Crabtree: We're, yeah. So my shooting for the moon dream job would be to run my own shop someday that specializes in restoring classic Land Rovers. But then in the same building there would be a craft brewery that's separated by like a glass partition, so the beer goers can see the cars being built throughout the day. Always thought that'd be a cool way to combine the two together to make this much more interesting dining and drinking experience. Of course you'd have to really be careful about the legal nuances of that. I mean, otherwise, I always thought that'd be a cool, cool idea. So yeah. 00:06:05 Sumer Beatty: What's the name? Do you have a name? 00:06:07 Sarah Crabtree: I was thinking, I don't have a name yet for Chops or what I call the brewery yet. It's... 00:06:13 Sumer Beatty: That's okay. 00:06:14 Sarah Crabtree: ...still way down the road, but yeah, maybe, maybe someday. 00:06:16 Sumer Beatty: And maybe a pit stop in there because there's also this, shoot for the moon dream of maybe working out of the country? 00:06:24 Sarah Crabtree: Yes. So another dream job to certainly have is that Land Rover has their own classic restoration shop in England that's licensed with them .And through various connections I have in the Land Rover community, we are trying to make it happen that my resume gets sent off to them. So that'll be, that's very exciting. I have some, some work to do on polishing up the resume and things like that and getting in touch with certain contacts and establishing new ones to see that that tries to happen. So, yeah. 00:06:51 Carlos Ramos: So what's the genesis of your interest in cars and in particular Land Rover? 00:06:55 Sarah Crabtree: Absolutely. I am one of seven kids and nobody in the family is remotely interested in cars, so that's that angle kind of exed off and that it isn't a family affair. Rather, in high school, my friend Michael was restoring a Land Rover too, and this was back in like 2014. It was a '76 Series III, so a little bit older than mine. And I would come over to his place and we'd shoot the breeze, and I just watched him tinker away at it. And then one day when he was finally done with it—he has a quite a bit of acreage that he grew up on—we took the car out on the various acreage that he had, and this thing just kind of went over everything. And I was so impressed by him that I was like, man, I gotta, I gotta get into this. This is, this is pretty cool. And on top of that, we would always have Top Gear on in the background. And I remember watching one of, and we watched British Top Gear. I remember watching one episode where Jeremy Clarkson had a Range Rover Classic that he was driving through the rainforest. And again, that thing just took everything in its path and conquered it. And I was like, yeah, that's, that's pretty awesome. So I'd definitely say that's what sparked both cars and a Rover interest at the same time. 00:07:57 Speaker 4: But you went to school for pre-law? 00:08:00 Sarah Crabtree: Yes, I studied pre-law at Liberty University. I got my bachelor's in pre-law from there. And that was just kind of the path that I thought I wanted to take since high school of being involved in law or politics. And, once I graduated Liberty University, I went to law school in Pennsylvania and I didn't do so hot. So after a semester, I decided it wasn't for me. And what I ended up doing was, so I should give a bit of context here. I bought a defender, a 1992 Defender 110, which is a, that's a long wheel based version. Bought that when I was 21 and I became a customer of a shop outside of Hershey. And so once I was out of law school, I went to this shop that I was a customer of and I went up to the owner and I was like, dude, I need a job. This seems cool. Do you want an apprentice? And he was like, yeah, I guess. And so, I started off just doing like janitorial work for him. And then little by little I built up my experience and knowledge to eventually be able to do like transmission overhauls and engine overhauls and things like that. I worked there for three and a half years, three years, and then unfortunately the shop had to close and then that's when I decided to go back to school to formally fill in the gaps in my automotive education. So. Yeah. 00:09:19 Sumer Beatty: So what did mom and dad say when you get a degree and then you start law school and then you're like, I'm just gonna go work at this shop as an apprentice and I'm gonna be a janitor and it's cool because I'm following my heart. Were they like, yeah, yes, Sarah, do do this? Or were they a little like, eh? 00:09:37 Sarah Crabtree: They were, you know, they were upset for me that it didn't work out for law, but they were understanding that like, look, maybe we put too much pressure on you to do this. Maybe, I don't know. And so they were happy that I was just getting a job and I was, you know, taking care of myself and not just sitting on my butt all day feeling sorry for myself, you know. They were at least happy that I was getting out there and exploring different options. And I was still tinkering with law for a little bit once I had left law school because I was, I thought I was just burnt out from going from college to law school and, you know, trying to do, trying to excel in both places. And then I, you know, once I finally took a step back and looked at the bigger picture, I was like, well, I, I'm really happy with what I'm doing here at the, at the shop, and I can see it obviously sprouting into a fruitful career if I just keep with it. So, eventually over time I came to the realization that like, this isn't, this isn't so bad either. So, yeah. 00:10:33 Sumer Beatty: Oh heck yeah. And I mean, there's something about being a parent and seeing your child just thrive and you know, you were probably not going to be happy in law school. No. You know, and they kind of, they should feel like, oh boy, she would've wasted her time, otherwise here's where she's supposed to be. 00:10:49 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. And they came to that realization too. I mean, and I should have seen it from the start. 'cause I was always a very artistic kid. I always liked working with my hands. And so I, and I was, I always had trouble reading in school. I always had trouble just sitting still in the desk and that kind of stuff. And so I guess I should have seen the writing on the wall from the start and that, like, just sitting at a desk job really wasn't the path planned. 00:11:10 Sumer Beatty: You are one of seven siblings. 00:11:12 Sarah Crabtree: Mm-hmm. 00:11:12 Sumer Beatty: Tell us more about that. What was young Sarah like? I mean, that is an, a dynamic situation, I imagine. 00:11:18 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. Yeah. I should say that the older siblings are my half siblings, but a lot of them stayed with us for a while. My sister and I were on the younger end and I had two foster siblings growing up too. So there was always a lot going on. And so I think part of what helps to make myself so driven and resilient is that like, when you're one of seven kids, you gotta figure your own stuff out, man. Mom doesn't always have the time or energy to help you out with what's going on. Not that she wasn't, you know, she was a, she was, I love my mom to death. She's amazing. She does everything for me at the drop of a dime, but at the same time, you know, give her credit where it's due. Taking care of seven kids, there's a lot going on. So. 00:11:52 Sumer Beatty: You weren't working on cars at that point? 00:11:54 Sarah Crabtree: Mm-hmm. 00:11:54 Sumer Beatty: What were you doing in your free time. 00:11:56 Sarah Crabtree: As a kid? I was outside a lot, or like I said, I was really artistic, so I was drawing and doodling and things like that. I mean, I grew up on a little, on a tiny little farm. So I, yeah, I was always outside. I was helping out around. I was always doing something, usually by myself, off, off, wandering around. 00:12:14 Sumer Beatty: And then in retrospect, thinking about that childhood, it's no wonder you ended up having this interest in Land Rovers and then the interest in racing them. 00:12:23 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:12:24 Sumer Beatty: So tell us about that. 00:12:26 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah, so I did an all women's, competitive off-road rally called the Rebelle, pun on rebel. And what that is, it's about a thousand miles off road. The trek that I did when, the year I did it, we started in Lake Tahoe and then went all the way nearly to the border and the Glamis Sand Dunes. You have a navigator and a driver on a team. And through paper map navigation, you are plotting various coordinates to gain points in order to be successful in the event. And so you'll start from a base camp each two or three days, you'll change a, you'll change base camps. And then you'll follow the main route and taking various detours off the main route to get to these different checkpoints to earn more game point. And so then by the end of it, on the last day, you're, what's, you're on Dune Day where it's, you're crossing the sand dunes of Glamis and it's kinda like the fun day where it's like you can let your hair down, you can relax, you know, kind of the, the points are already in, and you can get a few more points on Dune Day. But otherwise you're just hanging out, kind of surfing the dunes and spending a half day hanging out with all the other competitors. So, yeah. 00:13:32 Carlos Ramos: And how many days is that? 00:13:34 Sarah Crabtree: Eight days of competition, plus two days of prep. So in total, you're kind of out there for more or less 10 days. And. When you're out there, you are completely cut off from the grid. I had to turn in my cell phone. I had no contact with the outside world. I was completely off the grid for that whole 10 days. And it was, it was really cool, actually. It was nice to take a break and not know what was going on, so. 00:13:57 Sumer Beatty: And what year was that? 00:13:58 Sarah Crabtree: That was in 2022. October, 2022. The event is about to have its 10th anniversary this October and I'm cheering all the girls on that are able to do go for it, so. 00:14:07 Sumer Beatty: Oh, that's fantastic. And so if the car breaks down, then that's. You're ready to fix it. 00:14:12 Sarah Crabtree: Mm-hmm. Yes. 00:14:13 Sumer Beatty: That's a big piece of it? 00:14:14 Sarah Crabtree: There is. There, that is a big piece of it. They do have a mechanical support team. They take care of you the entire event. It's not like you're just on your own. They have, they track you the entire time to make sure you don't go too off course. There's a mechanical support team, a medical team. You're given Michelin star food whilst you're there camping. It's really, I'm, I'm really under, under exaggerating it. That was my advantages with my mechanical skillset. When I had a breakdown, I didn't have to wait for the mechanical team to come and support me. I was able to kind of fix my own problems. I broke a shock the one day, and so I was able to just pop it off and pop a new one back on. It was a great life experience event. Yeah. 00:14:50 Sumer Beatty: I think just being disconnected that in and of itself for 10 days. Sign me up for that. 00:14:55 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:14:55 Sumer Beatty: Not having any cell or internet access. 00:14:58 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah, it was surreal and it, what was even more surreal was how everybody else in the world was watching you and tracking you. 'cause you don't know, I mean, but they're able to track you. You can go on a website and they're able to track your little marker. You know? I remember my friend, my Rover friends, after it was all said and done, they would be like, yeah, we'd see you stop. And we'd be like, oh no. Did she have a breakdown? But no, it turns out you were just stopping for lunch. So, yeah. 00:15:24 Sumer Beatty: Your Rover friends? 00:15:26 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah, I mean I'm connected in a lot of different Land Rover owners clubs and working at the shop. I'm friends with a lot of different people that also work on rovers or were customers and so there's, it's quite a connected network throughout the country. One of the competitors that I was with at the 2020 Rebelle, I actually knew her husband before I knew her 'cause he sold Rover parts out of Oregon. So it was funny that her and I got to kismet meet through this event and I was like, oh, I actually know your husband. That's kind of funny. So. Yeah, 00:15:55 Carlos Ramos: I'm just like picturing can Netflix and Land Rover get together and, you know, do we get a a, you know... 00:16:02 Sarah Crabtree: Oh, a documentary. 00:16:03 Carlos Ramos: Yeah. Get that F1, you know, Tour de France style. 00:16:06 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah, yeah, I know. 00:16:07 Carlos Ramos: Documentary of Rebelle. 00:16:09 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah, Rebelle does a good job of, its, of garnering its own PR. I mean, they, they actually did do its own documentary on the event, and I should preface that it's not, I mean, it's people and cars and sponsors from all walks of life getting involved in this. The big point behind it was the founder. Her name is Emily, and I'm blanking on her last name. Emily. She, she was involved in offroad motor sports for years and she was just really taken aback by the lack of diversity in it, in that a lot of women didn't have a lot of opportunities. So she established this event to kind of set that standard apart. So she's a true hero for that. Yeah. 00:16:46 Sumer Beatty: Oh, that's fantastic. 00:16:47 Sarah Crabtree: Mm-hmm. 00:16:48 Carlos Ramos: All right, so the connection then to Penn College. We, we got you up to where you're tinkering with law, which that's a phrase that just raises so many different visuals and questions in my mind, but we'll pass that. What, then you're in the shop and you're like, okay. I'm gonna go to school. 00:17:05 Sarah Crabtree: There was unfortunately talk for a while about closing up the shop just for various reasons, and once that finally was set in stone, I thought, okay, I can take a breather then, because I mean, it was great. There was only three of us at that shop, but at any given time there was like 40 to 50 cars. It was a lot. You were dealing with a lot every single day. And so a lot of the training and learning was a bit of trial by fire. And so I was able to take a breath, take a beat, and learn in an environment without so many repercussions if mistakes were made. And that's not to say that the shop did a bad job of teaching or anything like that. They did the best they could. They really, they really did. That's what I decided it probably would be best to go back to a school that can. Formally, like I said, fill in those gaps in what I knew. And what ultimately made the decision for Penn College was because of its restoration program. I mean, the only other school that I knew of in the country that had one was, McPherson out of Missouri, and I wasn't moving to Missouri. And so Penn College seemed to make the most sense in that it was close enough to home. I could still work and take these classes and I could kind of tailor it to how I wanted to, since I already had a undergraduate degree, that I was able to kind of take a faster track that way. 00:18:17 Sumer Beatty: It seems to me that what you're doing is a bit unorthodox to get the certificate. It's really nice how the College has worked with you to allow you, I miss. They didn't tell you you needed to... 00:18:28 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:18:28 Sumer Beatty: ...restore this vehicle. You came to them and said, hey, I'd like to get this certificate, but I'd also like to do this big project. 00:18:35 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:18:35 Sumer Beatty: And they, what was the reaction? 00:18:37 Sarah Crabtree: The head of Restoration, Roy Klinger, he was super helpful in that I, you know, I went up to him and I explained, I laid out all the facts in front of him of, I have all this experience. I'd like to think I'm more advanced than the average student. I really want to try and challenge myself to get the most out of my education here. And he said, okay, yeah, absolutely. And so from day one, I, I put together all the logistics with, with the other professors I was working with throughout this year of seeing it to it that we, that we were able to use this car as, as the vehicle to learn on. And so it's taught me a lot of different things. I, this was the first vehicle that I rebuilt an engine on completely from top to bottom. I was able to rebuild the overdrive unit, the steering box, everything. I mean, and that was a lot of training and experience on itself, paint and body work. I really didn't have much of a background in paint and body work, but this car has taught me a lot off of that as well. And so the school has been so awesome and so flexible and just allowing me to kind of, you know, run my own path and pursue my own course, and doing something that is a little more unorthodox. But has been great so far. So, yeah. 00:19:45 Sumer Beatty: What has been the reaction from the student population? So you've got this space in the lab. I haven't seen it. 00:19:50 Sarah Crabtree: Mm-hmm. 00:19:50 Sumer Beatty: But I'm assuming you've got a little space in the lab. 00:19:52 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:19:52 Sumer Beatty: The vehicle's there, they see this excitement happening over, like. Are they coming up to you asking you questions? 00:19:58 Sarah Crabtree: Mm-hmm. 00:19:59 Sumer Beatty: Is it a spectacle or do they just leave you alone? 00:20:01 Sarah Crabtree: I'm very serious looking when I work, so I think they do try to leave me alone. But, when I first mentioned that I was gonna do this. They were like, oh, well don't expect to get it done in a year. And I was like, oh, well now I definitely have to get it done in a year. 00:20:11 Sumer Beatty: Are you going to? 00:20:12 Sarah Crabtree: Oh, absolutely. I'm gonna try really hard to at least, fight tooth and nail too. But a lot of the other students, especially a lot of the other female students in the program have been super supportive if they've been wanting to get on and see if they can help in any way. And so I'm trying to bring them in where I can, but at the same time, where I have to, not where I have to be kind of thing. So that way I don't have to like babysit 'em and supervise 'em the whole time. 'Cause they're very capable too. So yeah, it's, I've been getting a lot of great support throughout the school, throughout the community about this, this project, so. 00:20:43 Sumer Beatty: You called it a devil. What, what have been the challenges that you've faced so far? What's the biggest one? 00:20:49 Sarah Crabtree: Time? 00:20:50 Sumer Beatty: Mm. 00:20:51 Sarah Crabtree: Time. 00:20:52 Sumer Beatty: Isn't that always the thing? 00:20:53 Sarah Crabtree: Isn't that always the biggest one? Yeah. Yeah. And that's not even the car's fault. That's my own between just working all the different jobs and classes and things like that. The car itself really hasn't been too, too bad. But there's just a lot, there's just a lot to do and more than I think I even realized when I started getting into it. I'd say some of the bigger challenges was that, certain parts that needed to be replaced but couldn't be because they weren't available, that's always a big challenge. And so you kind of have to get creative about making what you have work and fixing it in one way or another so that way you can put it back on the vehicle, but it's still operable and safe or whatever, whatever have you be. That's been a big challenge on its own. A lot of the panels that were on the original vehicle were damaged, that they're not damaged beyond repair. But because of time they're damaged beyond repair. And so we'd had to replace them, which is kind of lame in that you can't say it's all original. But you do the best you can, right? So. 00:21:46 Carlos Ramos: Is there an opportunity to work with like the machining students to machine new parts or... 00:21:52 Sarah Crabtree: There might be. I have one or two things that I might ha have to go to machining to get some help with. But I will say, Graphic Design actually—so the vehicle had a dealership sticker on the back that was all faded and worn off, and it still was on the original body of the vehicle. But from all the paint and body work we're gonna do, the, the sticker isn't gonna last. So I reached out to the Graphic Design and I said, hey, can you make me a new dealership sticker? And they did. 00:22:15 Sumer Beatty: Oh, nice. 00:22:16 Sarah Crabtree: And it looks exactly like the one that came on the car. And so it's gonna, it's gonna be that awesome little detail that's gonna help add a little factor of authenticity to it. So I gotta give a big shout out to Graphic Design for, for that. That was, that was super cool. I just reached out to them and I was like, hey, I don't know if you can do this, but if you could, that'd be really cool. And the professor's name, his name was Nick. He was like, oh yeah, I got you. And I was like... 00:22:39 Sumer Beatty: Of course he did. He's been on the podcast. 00:22:42 Sarah Crabtree: Oh, okay. 00:22:42 Sumer Beatty: He's fantastic. 00:22:42 Sarah Crabtree: Great. 00:22:43 Sumer Beatty: Yeah. Yeah. 00:22:43 Carlos Ramos: I've never known Nick to say no to a, a project. 00:22:46 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:22:46 Sumer Beatty: Good challenge. 00:22:47 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. Great. Great guy. I really gotta thank him for that. So yeah. 00:22:51 Sumer Beatty: Take a little Penn College with you... 00:22:53 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah, exactly. 00:22:53 Sumer Beatty: ...when, when you drive away. 00:22:54 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:22:54 Sumer Beatty: How do you know this thing is done? It feels like one of those things where you could just keep making it better and better and better. When are you going to count, like, just put the hammer down and be like, yep, this is done. 00:23:04 Sarah Crabtree: So I'm restoring it to factory spec. Meaning what? This car is gonna be exactly how it, or try as close as I can get it to be as, as if it rolled from the factory to the dealership in 1971. So that's the, the standard I'm getting to. And so I know it'll be all done when it runs, drives, stops, starts, steers, rides comfortably, and it doesn't implode on itself when it does that. So yeah. 00:23:30 Sumer Beatty: Will you race it? 00:23:31 Sarah Crabtree: No, that one I won't race. This'll be a show car. I should preface that this is my father's car. He's kind of footing the bill. But it's mine too, in that I'm doing all the work. So, so he wants to try and enter this as a Concorde vehicle, which if you know anything about the world of cars showing, Concorde level vehicles are the highest standard that can be. Now, this'll be a little below a Concorde level vehicle because it won't be completely original. That's a big, big thing in Concorde level showing is that 99% of the car is original normally. And so, point being is that we're reserving this car to be a show, a show vehicle. 00:24:06 Sumer Beatty: Okay. But it's not the only Land Rover in the garage? 00:24:09 Sarah Crabtree: No, not for me. Yeah. I have that '92 Defender still that I did the Rebelle in, and then I have a '05 LR3 that is my daily driver. And that that's a great car. That's comfortable and... 00:24:21 Sumer Beatty: That's a Land Rover too? 00:24:22 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah, that's a Land Rover too. They call it the, the LR3. 00:24:24 Sumer Beatty: Okay. So Land Rover fans will know exactly what she's... 00:24:27 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:24:28 Carlos Ramos: Now have you been over to England to go to the Land Rover mothership? 00:24:33 Sarah Crabtree: I have been to England. I haven't been to Solihull to see the mothership. That's definitely a bucket list item. I know Black Sabbath playing their last show this summer, so maybe I'll make a full trip out of it. 00:24:42 Carlos Ramos: Maybe Roy can add it to a stop to the Italy trip. 00:24:44 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:24:45 Carlos Ramos: Just take a... 00:24:45 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:24:46 Sumer Beatty: Ferry over. 00:24:47 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:24:48 Carlos Ramos: A little more than a ferry, but yeah. 00:24:51 Sarah Crabtree: So, yeah, I've been to England before. Haven't been to Birmingham or Sulihull to see where it all started, but, never say never. 00:24:59 Sumer Beatty: Speaking of global experiences you've been on two? 00:25:02 Sarah Crabtree: Yes. 00:25:03 Sumer Beatty: With Penn College at least? 00:25:05 Sarah Crabtree: Yes. Yeah, with, with the school. Yeah. I did the Italy and France trip, and then I got to go to Germany as an impromptu trip to visit Sada, which is one of our sponsors at the, at the collision lab. 00:25:18 Sumer Beatty: Yeah. And who goes to school for a certificate... 00:25:21 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:25:21 Sumer Beatty: ...and gets to go on two global experience courses. 00:25:24 Sarah Crabtree: I know exactly. That is, that was very cool. I really have to give credit where it's due for that and that I had the opportunity to do that to begin with. So yeah. 00:25:30 Sumer Beatty: Any fun takeaways from either trip? 00:25:33 Sarah Crabtree: Germany was great. I mean, both were great to eat your way through. It was actually really awesome visiting Germany at the timeline we did, 'cause it was December and so all the Christmas markets were open. 00:25:42 Sumer Beatty: Mm. 00:25:42 Sarah Crabtree: And so every little town and city that we stopped in, there were, they had their own Christmas market and they were very, very cool. So that was very memorable in that regard. So yeah. 00:25:52 Sumer Beatty: Nice. Are you going back to the Rebelle Rally? 00:25:56 Sarah Crabtree: I would love to. Yeah. I'd love to brag about having entered the oldest car in the event, 'cause you can get special attention and points for that. And it'd be a Rover of course. So I have to call up a a Rover friend and be like, Hey, you gotta borrow your car for 12 days. And... 00:26:13 Sumer Beatty: I won't ruin it. I promise if I do, I'll fix it. 00:26:15 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, my good friend Bill Cooper, he's a big, big Land Rover guy in New Jersey. He, did what was—sorry I should back up here a second. There was a woman in the 1950s named Barbara Toy. She owned a Series I Land Rover, so the very first Land Rover model, and she went all over the world in this car in the 1950s. So that was a very cool and unheard of thing to do as a woman in the 1950s. And so my friend Bill Cooper, he took a Series I Land Rover and followed Barbara Toy's route throughout the United States. And he did this a couple years ago. And so we, we joked that maybe we'd enter a Rebelle team and call it Team Toying Around, and that would be the truck, would be that, that Series I that he did Barbara Toy's in. So. 00:26:58 Sumer Beatty: Nice. 00:26:58 Sarah Crabtree: Yeah. 00:26:59 Carlos Ramos: When do you complete your certificate? 00:27:02 Sarah Crabtree: I will complete it this May. Let's see, that'll be like May 10, 11, 12. That's the graduation weekend. So that'll be when I'd be all done with it or all done with a certificate. But as for the car, that's like, fingers crossed. Totally. 00:27:14 Carlos Ramos: I was gonna say we're 50 some days. 00:27:17 Sarah Crabtree: Oh, I, oh, don't remind me. Yeah. 00:27:19 Sumer Beatty: She's like, by the way, I have to go. Are we almost done? 00:27:22 Sarah Crabtree: I'm counting down every hour. Yeah. So yes, but this May, to answer the question would be when the, when I'm finished up with the certificate. So. 00:27:30 Carlos Ramos: And this is the dream to, to get, get a job with Land Rover. 00:27:34 Sarah Crabtree: That is the dream for sure is to be able to move on over across the pond. But there are other opportunities here where I live in the Lancaster Hershey area that. Would certainly fit the bill as well. I worked at a fantastic shop over the summer called Cornerstone, and they do very, very good, very beautiful, high-end Concorde work. And I was very fortunate to have an opportunity with them because they do creme de la creme Concorde work. So yeah. 00:27:59 Sumer Beatty: So in closing, there might be other listeners out there that have this unusual career path interest or want to try something that might be a little unorthodox. What do you have to say to them? 00:28:11 Sarah Crabtree: Anybody who tells you no or can't you have all the more reason to do it then. I can't tell you how many times people are like, are you sure you're gonna do this? Or are you, you know, are you sure you can get this car done in eight months? And I was like, well, now I have to just because you said I couldn't. Right? Perhaps I'm talking from a bit of a stubborn angle, but to anybody who says no, then you just gotta say yes and plant your feet and show 'em why 00:28:34 Sumer Beatty: I like it. 00:28:35 Carlos Ramos: Fantastic advice. 00:28:36 Sarah Crabtree: Thanks. 00:28:37 Sumer Beatty: Well, thanks for carving out a little bit of time. We know you're so busy, so we appreciate you. Thank you. 00:28:42 Sarah Crabtree: Oh, I appreciate it. Thank you. 00:28:43 Carlos Ramos: Thanks, Sarah. 00:28:47 Sumer Beatty: Thanks for hanging out with us today. 00:28:48 Carlos Ramos: Don't forget to rate, review, and subscribe wherever you listen to your podcast. 00:28:53 Sumer Beatty: Check out our show notes for bookmarks to your favorite sections and links to resources that we mention in today's episode. 00:28:59 Carlos Ramos: You can also find past episodes and see what's on deck for upcoming ones at pct.edu/podcast. 00:29:06 Sumer Beatty: And of course. We are open to your thoughts, ideas, and suggestions. So send those over at podcast@pct.edu. 00:29:14 Carlos Ramos: It's been real. 00:29:16 Sumer Beatty: Catch you next time. 00:29:21 Carlos Ramos: We're recording. 00:29:22 Sumer Beatty: We are now. 00:29:23 Carlos Ramos: We are. 00:29:23 Sumer Beatty: So we're no longer pre-rolling. We're rolling. 00:29:25 Carlos Ramos: We're rolling. 00:29:25 Sarah Crabtree: We're official. 00:29:26 Sumer Beatty: Okay. That's where we wanna be.